Ghosts, Uldr and Skills

by **Shane Wallsly** on December 16th, 2013, 2:02 pm

Okay I was having a wee daydream five minutes ago and I stumbled on to something I wasn't quite sure about. First question of all, and the one in which the answer will either nullify most of the following questions or give them cause, can a ghost be marked by Uldr? I've read and reread the Returning Lore page and it would greatly suggest that this is indeed possible.

Next question, with the first mark of Returning the dead get a new body. Does this mean they can train skills normally? Can they even become a ghost again and train their ghostly skills or are they now locked in that form?

This is a bit of a deviation now but the same area of topic. If I have a living PC who dies can I make them into a Ghost? If I do, do I lose all my living skills and have to take the starter package for Ghost skills or do I retain my living skills but have no ghostly skill points or is it something else entirely? If I retain my living skills, get a mark from Uldr and receive a new body; can I use said skills from my old living body in my new form?

Thanks for reading and thanks, in advance, for any answers you can help me with.

by **Tapestry** on December 16th, 2013, 2:53 pm

From my understanding, Ghosts cannot be marked with gnosis marks. Instead, Uldr comes to the dead or dying character before their soul departs and asks or fools them into make a deal.

(Since he cannot mark without consent)

I think that answers your other question on bodies.

And again, from my understanding (As I don't think I've seen a PC ghost-ify before), you would begin with your living skills and no ghostly skills at all.

Of course, I could be wrong on that one...but it's just from my understanding.

by **Shane Wallsly** on January 3rd, 2014, 4:36 pm

First of al, thanks for answering but I've got another question know. Since you are dying and not technically dead do you get the 'living' part of Uldr's Mark or the Dying one?

by **Sahana** on January 3rd, 2014, 6:32 pm

Actually I believe that this question has been asked before, The trick of it is is that when the gnosis mark is placed on a person or object its bound to their soul or essence. This in turn would mean that even if you died and became a ghost, or were a ghost you could recieve and keep gnosis.

Lets say you played a swordsman and he died, so you ghostified. You could potentially keep your swordsman skill of up to 30 granted you had 30 or more points, take the +10 in materialization and put 20 into possession to use the skill. A pre-creation ghost however would be unlimited point alterations because it could be whatever you wanted it to be before it actually became a ghost.

From what I've seen the mark of Uldr, prevents death when Uldr wills it. You could be completely destroyed, but Uldr can bring you back over and over again. There's a thread in Sahova that illustrates this. My theory is a ghost would be remade physical undead, and perhaps on second tier mark be able to cross over into an ethereal form

by **Tapestry** on January 3rd, 2014, 6:45 pm

I have to intervene Sahana.

Ghosts cannot have gnosis marks. Moreso, you lose your gnosis marks when you become a ghost. If you had been marked at least thrice, you don't BECOME a ghost...your soul flies straight to the god that owns you.

Uldr usually intervenes before the soul can depart. Chances are, if you were dying at the time Uldr marked you, your body is remade (as the body itself is the mark) into an undead.

Although sometimes he will just mark you while alive...all of this, of course, if you accept the mark (since you have to actually ACCEPT Uldr's mark)

by **Sahana** on January 3rd, 2014, 7:04 pm

Spiritist Write Up

Masters can evoke a soul from the Ukalas, as previously stated. This is perhaps the most powerful ability of a Spiritist, as the souls in the Ukalas are those who have perfected themselves through countless lives, finally leaving the cycle of reincarnation to follow their patron deity. To a single man and woman, they are much more powerful than the average ghost and possess Gnosis powers of their god. This evocation does not require Soulmist, but it does require a pint of the Spiritist's blood offered in a cup in the middle of the circle, followed by an invocation.

by **Wrenmae** on January 3rd, 2014, 7:11 pm

Those are the souls that went to the god in the Ukalas, after being marked three times.

They aren't ghosts. They don't wander the realm. You are calling them straight from the divine realms.

To draw a comparison...the Ethaefuls were thrice marked that fell from the divine realm of Syna and Leth to earth. You become...different when you go to the Ukalas of the god.

Ghosts won't keep the gnosis marks they had in life...but if marked thrice, and some that pass on that are marked once or twice will go to the realm of the god that marked them.

by **Sahana** on January 3rd, 2014, 7:18 pm

Oh ok that makes sense, but I could've sworn I remembered reading somewhere that ghosts could receive gnosis. Must have misinterpreted something along the way.

But is there something concrete in the lore or a discussion that explains how gnosis stops working when a person becomes a ghost? I was under the assumption that gnosis was bound to the soul.

And I actually never knew that, that's really interesting is that in the ethaeful write up?

by **Evalin** on January 5th, 2014, 5:45 pm

It does specifically say in the lore that Ghosts cannot have Gnosis. As for how it works, from the discussions I have had with multiple people its like the god is giving you a tattoo with a bit of their power inside of it. Its like a djed patch slapped on your arm, so its a part of you but not you at all. When you die and become a ghost you do not have djed anymore, you have soulmist and the mark cannot attach itself to soulmist. So in order to have a gnosis mark you have to have living djed, not soulmist. That is my understanding at least and any Founder is happy to correct me lol