Length Requirements for Earning Experience Points

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Length Requirements for Earning Experience Points

Postby Violet Y'laerth on July 31st, 2015, 10:10 am

So I read the wiki on XP and the grading guide, but what I read there and the practices I've observed in posted thread grading seem vastly different. Now I'm not vouching or demanding it be one way or the other, simply reporting on a clearly disparate set of observations.
The examples given in the Grading Guide are brief, albeit for the purpose of example, but the description strongly indicates that a few well-worded sentences could potentially award one skill point.
The assumption is stated and well-understood that a single post is at least 300-400 worlds long
However, this is what I've observed being practiced:
I saw one thread (solo) with about 7000 words over 10 posts awarded 20 xp in various skills, 7 lores, 12 items and a ton of gold.
Another thread (group), by the same person (different grader) was about 10,000 words long across almost 20 posts, and that one got a whopping 7 skill points and 1 lore, and none of the skills were maxed (as per the max 5 points per thread & max 100 points per skill per character).

From what I've seen in practice, the wiki seems to be a very poor representation of how skill points are awarded. Especially considering that there are quite a few frequently-used skills (socialization, rhetoric, flirting, observation) that theoretically could be awarded in almost every single post a PC makes, e.g.
Observation is one of the most commonly awarded skills, but should only be awarded when a PC actively notices something. Narration of the surrounding area does not count as observation, unless the PC is narrated looking at a specific thing. “Bob looked around,” is not an awardable sentence. “Bob looked out at the sunset,” is awardable.

But again, in practice, it does not seem common to see +5 observation, +5 socialization in every single PC's thread reward with 5 or more well-written posts.
As another example, here's a second quote from the wiki:
Below are a series of examples that illustrate the level of detail needed in an action to get experience points while at various skill levels.
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Bob clutched the dagger and swung it wildly, missing the Yukmen that ran past. One tripped over a fallen branch and Bob jumped forward, stabbing the blade into the neck of the prone creature.

This is an example of an action that would gain Novice-level experience.

Again, it seems to imply that getting experience is a fairly easy task, when in fact, as indicated above where sometimes nearly 20 posts with 500 words or more each garners 7 xp.
To reiterate, I am simply saying that it's vastly inconsistent, not "you're doing it wrong". I'm not here to argue, I'm here to be accurately informed and follow the rules, but the base issue is:
Assuming an average 500 - 600 words per well-written post and no violation of game rules,
A) The wiki appears to indicate that an average of 1 - 3 experience points would be awarded for every 1 post, while an exceptionally well-written post could get 5 (or more?)
B) Common practice appears to indicate that an average of 1 - 3 posts warrants 1 experience point, while an exceptionally well-written post could get 2
There are undoubtedly a multitude of various factors that make each and every thread reward almost unique, however, the difference is most definitely vast beyond even those factors.
I simply wish to know, which is closer to common practice, A) or B)?
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Length Requirements for Earning Experience Points

Postby Ssezzkero on August 1st, 2015, 1:19 am

Neither A. or B. are correct. I'm actually unsure of where you got the quotes for them.

This is a good quote from the lore:
Grading Guide wrote:Experience is awarded on a per-post basis, except in exceptional cases. If Bob has three posts in his solo, and he does a point-worthy dagger action in each, he is awarded a max of 3 points. However, if Bob writes a single post that is lengthy and very detailed, he may be awarded multiple points for that post. Awarding multiple points per post is rare, and should be used only be used in cases that clearly merit it.


This rule states that each post is allowed one point in each skill. Like it said above, 3 posts that use the skill will earn Bob 3 points. Of course if in the overall thread Bob goes above and beyond with his dagger practice, the Grader can add an extra point or two in to accommodate for the extra effort put in. Of course since you can only post one point per skill per post, you are allowed to pick up more than one skill in a post, so you are not limited to whatever skill is the focus of the post.

Now, as for your comment on the solo vs. group thread. Usually in solos, a player is concentrating and working on building their skills and lores. This is why they can earn quite a bit more than in a group thread were they may not be focusing on the lore&skill build up, and more so on the plot. You should also note that each grader is a different person. We all follow the same rules and generally keep within the same protocol, but different graders notice different things to be awarded.

Also, skills like Socialization and Observation do get collected very very easily. You'll often see players that have maxed out one or both of these skills, and barely reached expert in skills they work hard on. Like you said, you can get these skills almost anywhere, and for the most part you do.

There are two very distinct techniques I use for awarding these, because they are so common. When a PC is observing it is important to look at the wording and see if the writer is simply narrating the scene or if the PC is actually looking/listening/using other senses within the scene. It is easy for writers to simply describe the scene and not have their PC do the actual noticing, which is where they can miss out on those easy points and lores. With Socialization, it is a bit more tricky. I look for actual dialogue when awarding Socialization. If a PC simply calls out to someone and gets no reply, or a simply acknowledgement, I wouldn't call that socializing. However if a PC calls out to someone and the other person answers or responds in a way to start a conversation, that is socializing. Socialization is one of those skills that requires both PCs or a PC and an NPC to award.

I suggest reading these rules carefully, they are very informative. As for understanding the grading system, it comes easily to you once you start getting your grades in.

I hope I explained each of your questions. Let me know if I didn't, I am more than happy to dialogue this with you so you have a better understanding. :)
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Length Requirements for Earning Experience Points

Postby Violet Y'laerth on August 1st, 2015, 6:49 am

Thanks! After checking several more graded threads, it appears a lot more xp is awarded per post than it originally seemed (and definitely more in solo threads). I just happened to initially come across several threads in a row that happened to all be very low xp/post.
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